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Hey Men, It's Not My Job to Like Your Hobbies If You Don't Give a Damn About Mine

Much like developing sexual feelings for a cartoon Disney prince, striving to be the “cool girl” that all guys love is a rite of passage for many women. Ideally, we outgrow both of these stages, but the pressure to please the male gaze is hard to escape. Gillian Flynn famously captured the effort to be chill in Gone Girl, and while (spoiler) faking your own kidnapping is a bit much, that effort is all too relatable.

Women’s magazines, in particular, have used countless gallons of ink trying to teach us just what it is that men want in a woman, as if being what men want is a goal for all women. It’s not, but these tips are an easy sell. According to these magazines, and the men interviewed in their pages, a large part of being a chill girlfriend is showing enthusiastic interest in your boyfriend’s hobbies.

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I used to pore over women’s magazines looking for clues as to why guys didn’t like me, despite the fact that I was in eighth grade and this advice was meant for women who’d had at least some interaction with men. I was overweight and a know-it-all with terrible acne, none of which made me any less deserving of love but which unfortunately did not make me popular at my mid-sized suburban middle school. Despite these barriers, or perhaps because of them, I painstakingly memorized the pointers I found.

I learned that guys love it when you compliment them; they apparently don’t get complimented enough. They love it when a girl “can hang with the guys.” They don’t like it when girls wear a lot of makeup (which I’m now virtually certain most men could not identify if quizzed). They love a girl who eats a lot (the magazines left out the part about how this is only cute as long as a girl stays thin). And, of course, they love a girl who gets into their hobbies. The advice is always about the same, and much of it boils down to this: Guys want a “low-maintenance” woman — meaning, a woman with no discernible emotional needs — who centers her life around them.

There’s all sorts of media imagery representing women enthusiastically getting involved in men’s lives in ways that make them happy: The romantic interest who sits enraptured as her date mansplains jazz. The girlfriend who accommodates her boyfriend’s all-consuming obsession with one sports team or another. The woman who, against all of her better judgment, gets into BDSM for her rich boyfriend’s sake. There is a huge premium placed on women in opposite-sex relationships adopting a role in the hobbies and activities that their partner likes, but that door doesn’t often swing the other way.

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Where are the men’s magazines teaching a guy how to make the perfect dip for his girlfriend’s Jane The Virgin viewing party? Or for her Super Bowl viewing party, for that matter, since this girlfriend might prefer football to dramedies? Where is the advice telling him that he needs to be able to “keep up” with his girlfriend intellectually to keep her on her toes? Men simply aren’t asked to involve themselves in women’s lives at the same level as women are asked to involve themselves in men’s lives and interests. And no, sitting on a couch outside of a Sephora doesn’t count as getting involved in our hobbies; we do more than shop. Which you would know if you’d been encouraged nonstop for decades to connect with us.

Guys want a “low-maintenance” woman, by which they mean “a woman with no discernible emotional needs.”

All of this isn’t even to mention that the hobbies women are instructed to get into are things that many women already enjoy. Women and men both play video games. Women know and watch and play sports. I played hockey for years and have taken many guys (romantic interests and otherwise) to games, where I knew what was going on much better than they did. Yes, plenty of women know how to cook, perhaps the top hobby men reportedly find “hot” for a woman to enjoy; do I need to point out that guys made us do that and little else but that for centuries?

As for being able to talk about politics, which conventional advice would also have me believe is very important for landing a man, guess what? Women are likelier to vote than men, and more likely to have gotten politically involved after the last election.

Frequently paired with this call to join in on “what he’s passionate about” is the advice that you ought to let a guy “teach you something,” because if we have learned anything from classic flirting tips, it’s that men love to teach us things. (I’m not talking about actually becoming teachers or working to reform the education system in our country; men often focus on more, ahem, local issues, like how you just pronounced “bruschetta” incorrectly.)

Men love to focus on local issues, like how you just pronounced “bruschetta” incorrectly.

It doesn’t matter if you already know what a man is telling or showing you. It also doesn’t matter if you have no interest in it. This is about getting him to like you, remember? There have been hundreds of articles and think pieces about why it is that men feel an innate need to teach, and why it makes them feel so needed, yet very few about how men can overcome that urge and learn to take a back seat every once in a while. Or gain self-worth outside of what they provide for women.

Ultimately, women don’t need our partners to take a central role in our hobbies; in fact, the healthiest relationship may be one where both partners have their own interests. If you don’t like scrolling through Etsy to find embroidered shirts with me, great, do your own thing. But don’t ask me to listen to you teach me about the Legend of Zelda if you’re not going to learn all the nearly identical Bachelorette contestants’ names.

And one more thing: Despite most must-read book lists being dominated by dead, white, male authors, don’t you ever suggest that reading is a male hobby women are just doing to keep up with you.


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The dating advice everyone needs to stop following

In an era of dating where everyone is trying to ‘DTR’ – or define the relationship – is it even worse to do it too soon?

Dating someone new can be exciting as you try to decipher what the other person is looking for and whether the relationship has a future.

But if you are not sure if you are looking for a relationship, or you are simply in the market for fun, is it appropriate to share this before the first date to avoid confusion? Or does this make you the bad guy?

According to a widely shared article on The Cut, telling your date you “don’t know what you are looking for” before the first date is a big no – as it “allows you to keep a foot in each scenario.”

In the article, the author describes a text she received from a man she’d met at the dog park – before they’d even gone on their first date.

“Paul let me know that he was really excited to meet me, but that he didn’t really know what he was looking for right now. He wasn’t sure he was open to a romantic relationship, but he still really wanted to meet me to see where things went,” she wrote.

Instead of meeting and taking it from there, the author suggests that this pre-date admission or warning, if you will, acts as a get out of jail free card.

Because, if the relationship progresses, then that is great. But if it crashes and burns, then you are free to fall back on the warning you gave at the start of a relationship.

However, the author did acknowledge that the text clearly “defines his expectations” – saving her from frantically trying to figure it out later on.

We asked people whether this pre-date transparency is a convenient dating trend or a deal-breaker – and whether we should be open with potential dates about what we are looking for before we meet them.

Carl*, a 30-year-old writer, told The Independent: “Dating – especially using apps in a big city – is inherently pretty shallow. So I don’t feel too bad about hedging my bets by saying ‘I don’t know what I’m looking for’ at the start. It’s hard to know whether a date will be a one-time thing or turn into a relationship – some people might call the technique cowardly, but I call it convenient.”

23-year-old Danielle* agreed. She told us: “If you are looking for a relationship, run. But if you are just looking for fun, it doesn’t matter.

“The text says he is not looking for anything serious, and he is letting you know in a not-so-blunt way,” she said.

And while she agreed that “if a guy is not looking for a relationship, he should say he is not looking for anything serious,” she also admits that the admission puts a lot of “pressure” on a first date.

“A first date could just be a first date and nothing more so why think about the future like that?” she asked. “But, if you definitely don’t want a relationship, maybe it is not a bad thing to give a heads-up.”

According to relationship expert and founder of SpoonmeetSpoon, Meredith Golden, who spoke to Elite Daily, “It’s okay not to know.” 

Golden said: “Dating someone and seeing how you feel about them can help you determine which way you want something to develop. Even those who ‘know’ what they want can change their minds.” 

So, it is perfectly okay to be honest with someone about what you are looking for before the first date – but be prepared for the possibility that your feelings will change. 

*Names have been changed. 

13 Reasons Why star Ross Butler's dating advice sparks Twitter outrage

Ross Butler’s dating advice backfired and it was spectacular. (Picture: Paul Archuleta/FilmMagic)

13 Reasons Why actor Ross Butler shared his top tips for dating a man and women of the internet collectively rolled their eyes in exasperation.

The actor discussed a wide range of topics including his career and love life. But it was his advice on ‘how to get a man’ which has sparked debate on whether double standards exist for heterosexual daters.

‘The way to a guy’s heart is through his hobbies. Find out what he’s passionate about, and if you really love him, get into it too,’ he told Cosmopolitan.

‘If I meet a girl who can talk video games, guitar, cooking, or good books, it’s a huge turn-on. And lots of guys like to teach, so if you can get hands-on with learning it, I’m telling you, you’ll get there.’

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Is he suggesting women should essentially change who they are for their prospective partners? Or simply saying he likes it when women show an interest in his hobbies? The good people of Twitter were divided on the matter.

Some thought the comment exposes a double standard in expectations of how women and men should behave in relationships:

Others think his advice is legit:

Cue ‘feminist lunacy’ comment from person with Union Jack as profile picture:

In response to the backlash, Ross Butler took to Twitter to defend himself, explaining that he didn’t mean it should be a one way street:

He then added a little more context from the interview, explaining that after focusing on his career in his early twenties he now feels ready to date someone who can ‘teach him things’ too:

And some fans saw this as an opportunity:

MORE: 13 Reasons Why star Dylan Minnette warns Clay will ‘never have an easy path’ ahead of season two

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13 Reasons Why star Ross Butler's dating advice sparks Twitter outrage

Ross Butler’s dating advice backfired and it was spectacular. (Picture: Paul Archuleta/FilmMagic)

13 Reasons Why actor Ross Butler shared his top tips for dating a man and women of the internet collectively rolled their eyes in exasperation.

The actor discussed a wide range of topics including his career and love life. But it was his advice on ‘how to get a man’ which has sparked debate on whether double standards exist for heterosexual daters.

‘The way to a guy’s heart is through his hobbies. Find out what he’s passionate about, and if you really love him, get into it too,’ he told Cosmopolitan.

‘If I meet a girl who can talk video games, guitar, cooking, or good books, it’s a huge turn-on. And lots of guys like to teach, so if you can get hands-on with learning it, I’m telling you, you’ll get there.’

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Is he suggesting women should essentially change who they are for their prospective partners? Or simply saying he likes it when women show an interest in his hobbies? The good people of Twitter were divided on the matter.

Some thought the comment exposes a double standard in expectations of how women and men should behave in relationships:

Others think his advice is legit:

Cue ‘feminist lunacy’ comment from person with Union Jack as profile picture:

In response to the backlash, Ross Butler took to Twitter to defend himself, explaining that he didn’t mean it should be a one way street:

He then added a little more context from the interview, explaining that after focusing on his career in his early twenties he now feels ready to date someone who can ‘teach him things’ too:

And some fans saw this as an opportunity:

MORE: 13 Reasons Why star Dylan Minnette warns Clay will ‘never have an easy path’ ahead of season two

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